Dear Sirs, I can now confirm that the OverChat site has returned. I must thank TK for trying to help me with the Smarty configuration once more, I am sorry I didn't write back, I went away to the Isle of Wight to look for a car. I forwarded the emails on to the Craig (look at the face) and he examined the configuration. I must thank the Craig (look at the face), who expended a lot of effort figuring out that it was actually the fact that the php4-mysql package wasn't installed and that the error display was switched off. I blame this on the Debian project. The Craig (look at the face), is now officially the web site and database overlord.