Title: Locale-Independent Float/String Conversions
Author: Christian R. Reis <kiko at async.com.br>
Type: Standards Track
Post-History: 21-Jul-2003, 13-Aug-2003, 18-Jun-2004
Support for the LC_NUMERIC locale category in Python 2.3 is
implemented only in Python-space. This causes inconsistent
behavior and thread-safety issues for applications that use
extension modules and libraries implemented in C that parse and
generate floats from strings. This document proposes a plan for
removing this inconsistency by providing and using substitute
locale-agnostic functions as necessary.
Python provides generic localization services through the locale
module, which among other things allows localizing the display and
conversion process of numeric types. Locale categories, such as
LC_TIME and LC_COLLATE, allow configuring precisely what aspects
of the application are to be localized.
The LC_NUMERIC category specifies formatting for non-monetary
numeric information, such as the decimal separator in float and
fixed-precision numbers. Localization of the LC_NUMERIC category
is currently implemented only in Python-space; C libraries invoked
from the Python runtime are unaware of Python's LC_NUMERIC
setting. This is done to avoid changing the behavior of certain
low-level functions that are used by the Python parser and related
However, this presents a problem for extension modules that wrap C
libraries. Applications that use these extension modules will
inconsistently display and convert floating-point values.
James Henstridge, the author of PyGTK , has additionally
pointed out that the setlocale() function also presents
thread-safety issues, since a thread may call the C library
setlocale() outside of the GIL, and cause Python to parse and
generate floats incorrectly.
The inconsistency between Python and C library localization for
LC_NUMERIC is a problem for any localized application using C
extensions. The exact nature of the problem will vary depending
on the application, but it will most likely occur when parsing or
formatting a floating-point value.
The initial problem that motivated this PEP is related to the
GtkSpinButton  widget in the GTK+ UI toolkit, wrapped by the
PyGTK module. The widget can be set to numeric mode, and when
this occurs, characters typed into it are evaluated as a number.
Problems occur when LC_NUMERIC is set to a locale with a float
separator that differs from the C locale's standard (for instance,
`,' instead of `.' for the Brazilian locale pt_BR). Because
LC_NUMERIC is not set at the libc level, float values are
displayed incorrectly (using `.' as a separator) in the
spinbutton's text entry, and it is impossible to enter fractional
values using the `,' separator.
This small example demonstrates reduced usability for localized
applications using this toolkit when coded in Python.
Martin v. Löwis commented on the initial constraints for an
acceptable solution to the problem on python-dev:
- LC_NUMERIC can be set at the C library level without
breaking the parser.
- float() and str() stay locale-unaware.
- locale-aware str() and atof() stay in the locale module.
An analysis of the Python source suggests that the following
functions currently depend on LC_NUMERIC being set to the C
The proposed approach is to implement LC_NUMERIC-agnostic
functions for converting from (strtod()/atof()) and to
(snprintf()) float formats, using these functions where the
formatting should not vary according to the user-specified locale.
The locale module should also be changed to remove the
special-casing for LC_NUMERIC.
This change should also solve the aforementioned thread-safety
Potential Code Contributions
This problem was initially reported as a problem in the GTK+
libraries ; since then it has been correctly diagnosed as an
inconsistency in Python's implementation. However, in a fortunate
coincidence, the glib library (developed primarily for GTK+, not
to be confused with the GNU C library) implements a number of
LC_NUMERIC-agnostic functions (for an example, see ) for
reasons similar to those presented in this paper.
In the same GTK+ problem report, Havoc Pennington suggested that
the glib authors would be willing to contribute this code to the
PSF, which would simplify implementation of this PEP considerably.
Alex Larsson, the original author of the glib code, submitted a
PSF Contributor Agreement  on 2003-08-20  to ensure the code
could be safely integrated; this agreement has been received and
There may be cross-platform issues with the provided
locale-agnostic functions, though this risk is low given that the
code supplied simply reverses any locale-dependent changes made to
Martin and Guido pointed out potential copyright issues with the
contributed code. I believe we will have no problems in this area
as members of the GTK+ and glib teams have said they are fine with
relicensing the code, and a PSF contributor agreement has been
mailed in to ensure this safety.
Tim Peters has pointed out  that there are situations involving
threading in which the proposed change is insufficient to solve
the problem completely. A complete solution, however, does not
An implementation was developed by Gustavo Carneiro <gjc at
inescporto.pt>, and attached to Sourceforge.net bug 774665 
The final patch  was integrated into Python CVS by Martin v.
Löwis on 2004-06-08, as stated in the bug report.
 PEP 1, PEP Purpose and Guidelines, Warsaw, Hylton
 Python locale documentation for embedding,
 PyGTK homepage, http://www.daa.com.au/~james/pygtk/
 GtkSpinButton screenshot (demonstrating problem),
 GNOME bug report, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114132
 Code submission of g_ascii_strtod and g_ascii_dtostr (later
renamed g_ascii_formatd) by Alex Larsson,
 PSF Contributor Agreement,
 Alex Larsson's email confirming his agreement was mailed in,
 Tim Peters' email summarizing LC_NUMERIC trouble with Spambayes,
 Python bug report, http://www.python.org/sf/774665
 Integrated LC_NUMERIC-agnostic patch,
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