speedcrunch.org entrance page is confusing

Issue #503 closed
Former user created an issue

Originally reported on Google Code with ID 503

Steps to reproduce:
Go to speedcrunch.org

Expected behavior:
 * Main menu is available right away.
 * Links are clearly labeled.

Experienced behavior:
 * Strange animated intro that prevents further navigation until completed. (Feels
like a flash intro from 1998)
 * Menu just has icons. I had to figure out what they did by clicking on them and seeing
the result. Some I could guess.

Product version:
Current website at this date

Operating system:
Windows 7

Additional Information:
I mean no offence. The intro looks very well put together and nice animation and background
stuff going on. But the primary purpose (In my humble opinion) of a main page is to
get you where you want to go quickly and to be very clear about it. The current page
does neither. I honestly thought I was on a knockoffs website, I had to back out and
double check the URL.

Reported by hansonry on 2014-05-05 15:45:35

Comments (56)

  1. Former user Account Deleted
    Many people had already expressed their thoughts on the new website and I had already
    addressed it and explained my assumptions and decisions here: http://speedcrunch.blogspot.com/2014/01/speedcrunch-011-released.html
    
    But you were the first to file an entry in the tracker, thanks for that. I'll certainly
    take your opinion into account.
    

    Reported by helder.pereira.correia on 2014-05-05 16:47:26 - Status changed: Accepted - Labels added: Type-Defect, Milestone-0.12

  2. Pol Welter

    Just an idea: what if we included the download page into the docs? Only the version that will be online, not the embedded one of course. This would allow us to save the effort of coming up with yet another theme, content and infrastructure for translation.

  3. Helder Correia repo owner

    @polwel It's a good idea. I assume it's OK and easy to include PNGs in the rst. I see the new entry page of the website as this: an animated GIF showing the most important features, a download button that links to the Download section of the online docs, and a documentation link that links... well, to the index of the docs.

  4. Pol Welter

    I just had a look at how the sphinx people handle their own website. They - obviously - do the docs with sphinx, but the welcome page (index.html) is not part of the sphinx toctree. Instead they include it via

    html_additional_pages = {'index': 'index.html'}
    

    In fact index.html is a jinja2 template (not a finished webpage), which includes {%trans% ... %endtrans%} tags for translation. AFAICT, sphinx picks those up automatically, and adds them to the .po.

    This is really cool, as it allows us to leverage sphinx' translation pipeline for the entrance page, without having to restrict ourselves to the subset of html we can access directly through reST. All while visually conforming to the docs' theme.

    For future reference, (and as a note to myself), here is a link that may be useful: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sphinx-users/MDXAB_nvCOk

  5. Felix Krull

    In fact index.html is a jinja2 template (not a finished webpage), which includes {%trans% ... %endtrans%} tags for translation. AFAICT, sphinx picks those up automatically, and adds them to the .po.

    This is really cool, as it allows us to leverage sphinx' translation pipeline for the entrance page, without having to restrict ourselves to the subset of html we can access directly through reST. All while visually conforming to the docs' theme.

    Oooooh, that's a pretty cool way to do that. It also makes it easy to keep those pages out of the bundled docs. I tried it just now and yep, it works including translations. The strings end up in sphinx.pot which is a bit of an awkward name, but difficult to change.

  6. Pol Welter

    I don't particularly enjoy the alabaster theme. In fact, I think none of the other builtin sphinx themes is particularly suitable to SpeedCrunch either. They all seem so technical - something that suits the documentation of a sophisticated API or something. They fail to convey the simplicity and neatness that SpeedCrunch is supposed to stand for.

    I am seriously considering the sphinx bootstrap theme (example and github). It supports all the bootswatch themes out of the box. I really like the looks of some of them. You may argue that they look a bit generic (so many bootstrapped sites these days...), but imo they fit SC perfectly. Plus bootstrap gives us so many possibilities for the non docs pages. Something similar to this as the entrance page would be amazing...

    EDIT: As an example of someone who's using sphinx+bootstrap and knows what they're doing, I raise you this: http://www.faunalia.eu/en/index.html.

  7. Helder Correia repo owner

    Nice. I'd never heard of Bootstrap before. I've always wondered why there were so many websites that looked exactly the same in terms of layout. I don't mind it. We're not selling a product and optimizing for customer trapping. I like the carousel at the top, that's what I had in mind. Darkly, Slate and Superhero are my favorite themes.

    EDIT: Maybe we should have a (default?) theme that matches the website's.

  8. Pol Welter

    Sorry, I don't quite understand your last remark. It was exactly my intention to use the same theme for both website and documentation. This will be much easier with bootstrap (here we have all the widgets and toys already available) rather than a native sphinx theme. The fact that someone has gone through the effort of combining the bootstrap framework with sphinx already ( = the sphinx bootstrap theme) is the icing on the cake.

    I happen to prefer a brighter background, like Flatly or Yeti ;) Point is though, if we do it right, we'll not depend on one specific theme. We'll have to see how it works out...

    We're not selling a product and optimizing for customer trapping.

    Agreed :) Although you should not underestimate the importance of a nice website. If I happen to be looking for, say, a new tool, I always fall for the one with the prettiest website. Sad but true ;)

    So, essentially what needs to be done:

    1. Adapt the sphinx bootstrap navbar (the bar on top of the screen). I'd like to see links to the user guide and reference sections (possibly dropdowns, for access to one level of hierarchy further down). The 'next' and 'previous' buttons should not contain the full title of the respective page. Something shorter, like just 'Next', possibly combined with a glyphicon 'Next ->' is better suited IMO. Finally, a dropdown for the language. And the search box. Not necessarily in that order.
    2. I like to display the local TOC in the sidebar, but not the global one. How about we display some breadcrumbs (e.g. Reference > Built-in Functions) similar to what we do in the embedded theme?
    3. Make a nice landing page, exposing the awesomeness of SC. Here, the navbar could contain the items 'Home', 'Documentation', 'Download', and possibly 'About'. EDIT: Forgot 'Forum'.
    4. Make a download page.
  9. Helder Correia repo owner

    Sorry, I don't quite understand your last remark.

    I just meant matching the in-app color scheme with the website's theme.

    I happen to prefer a brighter background

    We can make this a democratic process, no worries :)

    you should not underestimate the importance of a nice website

    Indeed. I've done design, UI and UX, so I hear you.

    'Next ->' is better suited IMO.

    According to my experience, it's not a good choice because of RTL languages. Which reminds me - Do Sphinx/Bootsrap revert the text direction easily for presenting in Hebrew, Arabic, etc?

    and possibly 'About'.

    Not sure it's that relevant/helpful, especially for the visitor. I'd prefer Contribute and show how to translate, make color schemes and point to Bitbucket for pull requests.

  10. Pol Welter

    Do Sphinx/Bootsrap revert the text direction easily for presenting in Hebrew, Arabic, etc?

    Damn. Just looked into this, already for sphinx this is not possible without quite some effort. See http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12661206/rtl-support-in-python-sphinx.

    I've no experience with RTL languages; but just adding body { direction: rtl; } to the css file won't do it, since then all the code boxes will be off...

    Really I don't see an easy solution to this...

  11. Pol Welter

    Well, according to the sphinx manual, Hebrew, Arabic and Farsi are among the supported languages. We'll have to see...

    Really can't tell right now.

    EDIT: For sure we'll need help from someone who actually knows an RTL language :) Also, it will look REALLY weird when translation is incomplete and there are still some English blobs in between.

  12. Helder Correia repo owner

    This is incredible, Pol. Not crazy about the color scheme at all though. Especially awful in the functions page. Love the language switch, search and header. We should try with RTL now.

  13. Pol Welter

    Thanks!

    Not crazy about the color scheme at all though.

    Flatly is my favourite... :'(

    The admonition boxes are indeed very saturated though. But, so far I have done zero CSS changes that would break any theme. We still have all the options here :)

    I will later upload a branch with all the code, so you can have a look at other themes (or roll your own :P). Generally though, I find that none of the darker bootswatch themes fares well when it comes to inline code blocks... We'll need to tweak those.

    There are a few more bugs that need be taken care of. In particular, the jumpy sidebar, and the navbar that does a few weird things when the window is resized (notably hiding the breadcrumbs). Also, in some themes the breadcrumbs are always covered by the navbar.

    I am not very enthusiastic about RTL. I am pretty sure we'll need to work some serious CSS magic for this. For instance, code blocks need still be left aligned. The nav buttons thing can be worked out I guess. doc-tool needs to be able to pass a tag to signal the use of the RTL theme. The templates must then decide about the layout.

    Imo, what currently hinders us from building an RTL theme, is that we literally have no clue how it is supposed to look like. We need an expert here. Also, as I said, having English blobs in the content (like we do now, as nothing is translated yet), looks really weird. For instance, punctuation is for some reason put in front of the sentence. Try it out by adding direction: rtl; to the CSS.

  14. Helder Correia repo owner

    I've done the whole RTL support for the app some years ago. I kept asking an israeli guy to test it and feed me back over again. I learned a lot from it and feel I could make it again for the docs if we figure out the technicalities. Ultimately, I can ask someone I know to test it these days too.

  15. Pol Welter

    I messed around a bit more. Still in he same place http://mp2.myds.me/site/en_US/index.html.

    I added a (mockup) entrance page and a download page. The download page is functional though (at least the old versions...).

    The carousel is a bit weird. It's not really suitable to convey information. It's just supposed to look good. We might want to use it for screenshots, but for now, I moved it to the bottom of the page.

    I do like these featurettes a lot though. Any idea what particular features shall get the honor? :)

  16. Helder Correia repo owner

    Totally love the layout and structure. It's a very nice starting point, I reckon. We don't need the Home, Get It or Documentation sections in the header, since we have the SpeedCrunch link in the header and the Download and Documentation buttons right below. Is it possible to put the caroussel to the right of the Download and Docs buttons section? Or, since we already have the nice featurettes, maybe I'd prefer to put a GIF in there. The OS X and Linux icons need some work/updating ;-)

  17. Helder Correia repo owner

    Any idea what particular features shall get the honor?

    • scrollable display + editor history
    • syntax highlighting + color schemes
    • on-the-fly calculation + selection calculation
    • functions + user functions + variables + autocompletion
    • constants + formula book
    • precision and complex numbers
    • optional keypad
    • languages
    • cross-platformness
  18. Helder Correia repo owner

    I can't seem to find instructions to build the static pages frmo the templates, here and on the repo. Do they exist? In any case, can you please provide quick ones to get this up and running?

  19. Pol Welter

    Just build the manual.

    Make sure you have the Bootstrap theme installed, pip install sphinx-bootsrap-theme. I think I'll eventually provide a static copy of the theme within the repo. By now I have made so many changes to it that it makes hardly any sense anymore to base things off a downloadable theme.

  20. Helder Correia repo owner

    I did build the manual before posting, but the pages were not generated at all, so I assumed there was something missing. I tried what you mentioned and got this:

    $ pip install sphinx-bootsrap-theme
    Downloading/unpacking sphinx-bootsrap-theme
      Could not find any downloads that satisfy the requirement sphinx-bootsrap-theme
    Cleaning up...
    No distributions at all found for sphinx-bootsrap-theme
    Storing debug log for failure in $HOME/.pip/pip.log
    

    Log:

    /usr/bin/pip run on Mon Apr 25 22:39:41 2016
    Downloading/unpacking sphinx-bootsrap-theme
      Getting page https://pypi.python.org/simple/sphinx-bootsrap-theme/
      Could not fetch URL https://pypi.python.org/simple/sphinx-bootsrap-theme/: 404 Client Error: Not Found
      Will skip URL https://pypi.python.org/simple/sphinx-bootsrap-theme/ when looking for download links for sphinx-bootsrap-theme
      Getting page https://pypi.python.org/simple/
      URLs to search for versions for sphinx-bootsrap-theme:
      * https://pypi.python.org/simple/sphinx-bootsrap-theme/
      Getting page https://pypi.python.org/simple/sphinx-bootsrap-theme/
      Could not fetch URL https://pypi.python.org/simple/sphinx-bootsrap-theme/: 404 Client Error: Not Found
      Will skip URL https://pypi.python.org/simple/sphinx-bootsrap-theme/ when looking for download links for sphinx-bootsrap-theme
      Could not find any downloads that satisfy the requirement sphinx-bootsrap-theme
    Cleaning up...
      Removing temporary dir /tmp/pip_build_helder...
    No distributions at all found for sphinx-bootsrap-theme
    Exception information:
    Traceback (most recent call last):
      File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pip/basecommand.py", line 122, in main
        status = self.run(options, args)
      File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pip/commands/install.py", line 278, in run
        requirement_set.prepare_files(finder, force_root_egg_info=self.bundle, bundle=self.bundle)
      File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pip/req.py", line 1178, in prepare_files
        url = finder.find_requirement(req_to_install, upgrade=self.upgrade)
      File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pip/index.py", line 277, in find_requirement
        raise DistributionNotFound('No distributions at all found for %s' % req)
    DistributionNotFound: No distributions at all found for sphinx-bootsrap-theme
    
  21. Pol Welter

    Well, that was not going to work indeed :)

    You need to build the standalone version. By running cmake you build the embedded one. Sorry for not mentioning that. Easiest way is IMO to run make html when in the docs/src directory. This way you don't build all the languages, but only English (much quicker).

    Have a look at the wiki page Felix made for all the ways on how to build the manual.

  22. Felix Krull

    So, first: I really like the layout and structure. Very nice. I tried most of the Bootswatch themes and wasn't blown away by any of them, so I'll express no preference past a light background.

    I feel there needs to be something in the header to the right of the title, download and docs buttons etc. Either that or it needs to be centered, but it just seems kinda empty right now. Since that seems to be the direction we're going, I'd like to mention https://sublimetext.com as a point of reference. Now, I'm a bit of a text person, so to avoid overload, I think we should either have a carousel and then text-only featurettes underneath, sublimetext.com-style, or no carousel and featurettes with screenshots.

    We don't need the Home, Get It or Documentation sections in the header

    Agreed on the Home link, but I think Download and Documentation should stay, they're still worthwhile. Though can we get rid of the "0.12" in the navbar?


    I tried adding a link to the function index using the navbar_links config option, but it didn't do anything. @polwel Did you break that setting by any chance? In general, not sure about the general index, but there should be a link to the function index in the navbar since that's a good way to find help about a function when you don't have context help available.

    Re: the "Navigation" string; is there a way to keep that out of conf.py and put it into a template for example? Because otherwise we'll have to wire translation and string extraction into conf.py; which is probably not that hard, but if we can avoid it, even better.

  23. Helder Correia repo owner

    I mentioned the Sublime Text example a couple times in the past. I still think a demo GIF would fit very nicely (to the right of the mentioned section), but I'm open to leave such a fancy feature out provided we prove screenshots suffice. I like the 0.12 info in the header, actually, very useful e.g. for users who make a quick visit just to check whether ther can upgrade.

  24. Pol Welter

    Yes, I broke the navbar_links of the bootstrap theme intentionally. The point is that I could not find a way to translate the text. Since we already need a new template for layout.html, I figured we could use that one instead. Many more features available this way.

    We don't need the Home, Get It or Documentation sections in the header

    I think we totally do :)

    I like the Home button in the navbar. I would have preferred the 'Home' and 'Get It' buttons to be highlighted, but I could not come up with an easy way to do that, so didn't bother. Version number... not liking that one so much. It was there by default, and I haven't done anything to it yet.

    For reference, I was hoping to go for the looks of www.kicad-pcb.org. Personally I am not a fan of the centered, narrow navbar of sublime. I do agree though that the featurettes might not be ideal for SC, as we'll have to present pretty much the same thing for most of them (namely entering some stuff and hitting enter). Also some of the features seem hard to convey in a single (non animated) screenshot. If we go for the carousel, someone other than me will have to come up with the screenshots/animations :) If we go for the carousel, I expect we need to make some major styling changes to it. The default Bootstrap overlays the text and the image, making it very hard to read for our purpose. Maybe we can steal some inspiration from sublime? ;) Remember, entrance.html has a working but disabled carousel example for you to mess with

    I don't really agree on adding the Function index to the main page. Maybe in the documentation... In fact the navbar is quite crowded already on all but large screens. I put some effort into making sure everything scales nicely on various view port sizes (from phones over tablets to large monitors). Also, if you're browsing the online help, you do have the search function, right? This makes any index kinda useless anyway IMO.

    So, since we have versioning, feel free to make your own main page :)

    About the theme: I think we can agree that we'll need some custom CSS tinkering no matter what bootswatch theme we choose to start from.

  25. Helder Correia repo owner

    For the carrousel, I had fun for a few minutes and came up with GIF and MP4 proof-of-concepts. The video solution is 2.5x cheaper in size (and this tends to get better the more frames we add). This is with a 500ms delay between frames. I believe a lower delay works best and turns the video solution even cheaper.

    1.gif

  26. Pol Welter

    I made some (crappy) screenshots and an animation. I don't want to overdo the animations, I hate it when a website is overly flashy.

    Check it out in the usual place (you might have to refresh). It really makes all the difference!

  27. Helder Correia repo owner

    We should probably insert a big bitmap of the app logo to the right of the SpeedCrunch big heading. The space looks rather empty there, and we show only a tiny icon in the header.

    SpeedCrunch is a high-precision scientific calculator with a broad range of features. It is available for Windows, OS X, and Linux in a number of languages. SpeedCrunch is free and open-source, licensed under the GPL.

    I think we should remove this block. It makes a rather pictorial website look too verbose out of a sudden and doesn't add any info that hasn't or won't be transmitted somewhere else.

    on fly

    on-the-fly

    Even for Grandma.

    Not sure whether this joke should stay :)

    oldschool

    old school

    50 digits precision

    50-digit precision is likely more correct in English.

  28. Felix Krull

    I don't really agree on adding the Function index to the main page. Maybe in the documentation

    I was thinking about only the docs, anyway.

    on fly

    on-the-fly

    I think "on the fly" is preferable.

    Even for Grandma.

    Not sure whether this joke should stay :)

    Agreed, I'm not a fan of that either.


    I think it'd be better to set off the animation from the other blocks with the static screenshots, so maybe make it larger and centered with a bottom caption? Alternatively, we could put the animation to the right of the bug heading. Also, I dislike GIFs, I'd prefer a <video> element.

    Re: the screenshots, they should use the default color scheme and font. Also, I think we should change the defaults, at least use a larger font similar to the sceenshots by default.

    What platform should the screenshots be on, anyway? The big solution would be to make sets of screenshots for three or so platforms, then select one based on User-Agent, but that sounds involved.

    If we're sticking with the Windows 7 screenshots, take the screenshots on a fully white background so the transparent borders look neutral. Maybe just take the window and window decorations without the shadows and add some drop shadows in post.

  29. Tey'

    Also, I dislike GIFs, I'd prefer a <video> element.

    We need both actually so that browsers that don't support the video format fallback to the GIF image (it's automatic, see this example). And if we display a video, we need at least 2 formats so that we support most browsers: H264 (mp4) and Webm. I also prefer such a solution.

    No comments on the rest.

  30. Pol Welter

    Even for Grandma.

    Not sure whether this joke should stay :)

    Agreed, I'm not a fan of that either.

    I knew you guys would object to it ;P I mainly wanted to demonstrate that 'muted text' look, which I liked a lot. Feel free to correct the other suggestions. I am a bit busy atm, so please excuse it took me a while to respond.

    Video is a good idea indeed. I just wanted a quick and dirty demo.

    Maybe just take the window and window decorations without the shadows and add some drop shadows in post.

    This. It will look so much better. I didn't bother, since the Windows corners are rounded, and I did not feel like 'shopping them.

    The big solution would be to make sets of screenshots for three or so platforms, then select one based on User-Agent, but that sounds involved.

    Making a nice animation on a single OS is enough of a pain already. Three of them? Not going to be me :)

  31. Helder Correia repo owner

    Making a nice animation on a single OS is enough of a pain already. Three of them? Not going to be me :)

    Agreed. Not worth the trouble. Next thing: make a different presentation for each language :)

  32. Pol Welter

    I removed the grandma thing. To me 'on the fly' (without hyphens) is more correct here. IMO, SpeedCrunch computes the results on the fly, but supports on-the-fly computations. Don't take my word on this one though.

    Seeing that the project starts to slow down so close to the finishing line (I am very much busy atm myselfl), we must not loose focus :)

    How's that prerelease coming along?

  33. Felix Krull

    I played around with the main page layout a bit; see http://fkrull.github.io/. I've mainly pulled the animation up to sit next to the heading and introductory paragraph so that the space isn't so empty. It also allows us to emphasise the animation over the other screenshots rather than mixing it in with them. I thought about cutting the first regular block ("Fast & efficient"), but then there's no obvious place to put the bit about result previews and partial results. The animation could also be made bigger than the other screenshots, but I didn't like how it broke the regular nature of the layout. (This isn't in master yet since it's still experimenting.)

  34. Helder Correia repo owner

    Fast & efficient.

    Not sure about this screenshot. It looks rather trivial, mostly black. Also, it's the only capture with non-Windows decorations.

    Easy to use.

    I find this section somewhat empty. Maybe we should mention a sentence on digit grouping here.

    Cross-platform. And multi-language.

    I reckon his section should come closer to the top, so candidates wouldn't miss this important bit of info (that the app is available for everyone). Also, it would be useful to link here, so that potential users could see whether their main language is in a good shape.

    How's that prerelease coming along?

    Utterly busy here ATM. Desperately trying to stabilize madness and find the time to put this release out there. I should start looking for someone that could help us on the OS X side of things and build a package. Does any of you know anyone?

  35. Felix Krull

    Not sure about this screenshot. It looks rather trivial, mostly black. Also, it's the only capture with non-Windows decorations.

    Well, it is Windows, just Windows 10 ;) I figured all the screenshots are placeholders for now anyway. You're right though, it's a bit empty. I'll try merging this section with the next one, as "Fast & easy user interface" or so.

    I reckon his section should come closer to the top, so candidates wouldn't miss this important bit of info

    Fair point, but I'm not sure where else it could go. I think it needs to be either the first or the last block simply because it's so visually distinct.

    Update: I did some more work on it. I merged the two UI paragraphs and did some layout fixing, mostly for narrow screens. I also tried to figure out a way to present the six (!) Linux packages on the download page. I ended up with a sort of drop-down button which seems ok.

  36. Felix Krull

    Dunno if Bitbucket sends no notifications for edits or if everyone's just super-busy, so let's rule out one of those: I did some more work on it. I merged the two UI paragraphs and did some layout fixing, mostly for narrow screens. I also tried to figure out a way to present the six (!) Linux packages on the download page. I ended up with a sort of drop-down button which seems ok.

  37. Helder Correia repo owner

    No, updates don't seem to be notified. Thanks, Felix, it's looking great. I guess I'm just missing a screen where one can see user-defined functions. EDIT: and also color schemes.

  38. Felix Krull

    Ok, let's get this wrapped up...

    There's probably room to squeeze in a function definition in advanced_features.png or even the animation. As for color schemes, not sure they're super-necessary; that would probably require another screenshot and description paragraph to not look out of place. Let me put it this way, I don't think they're important enough to mess with the text again :)

    Re. theme, the default Bootstrap theme isn't even that bad, IMO; otherwise, I'd say Flatly with navbar_inverse=False.

    @polwel You wanna do the final screenshots for the site then? They should use the default color scheme; the default font is probably too small to be easily readable, so maybe blow that up a few points.

  39. Pol Welter

    Thanks for picking this up. I agree with all your points.

    I am busy right now. Maybe I can look into it during the week end, but not promises. If you feel like it, go ahead. If I make the screenshots, they will be Win7 exclusively.

    Which one is the default color scheme? The purple one?

    Also, I am fine with the default theme. We just need to settle with one :)

  40. Pol Welter

    @fk, @heldercorreia I can make new screenshots and a new animation. Just tell me which colorscheme you want to see.

  41. Helder Correia repo owner

    I think we should actually show at least two in order to imply the existence of color schemes. I'd say Terminal should be the focus.

  42. Felix Krull

    I'm just worried that having one screenshot with a different color scheme wouldn't look very cohesive. If y'all think it's fine though, I won't argue.

    Yeah, the default is "Terminal". The other one should be a light color scheme so they don't blend into each other at a glance. Maybe Solarized Light?

  43. Pol Welter

    Done. Some new, rather convincing screenshots (if I may say so :).

    The 'standard' colorscheme goes well with the open book widget.

    Next step: push it to Transifex, or even upload it to speedcrunch.org (English version only)?

  44. Helder Correia repo owner

    Looking great, thank you.

    Is there an easy way to remove the language choice box at the top of the website? We could launch 0.12 over an untranslated website and upload the translations with more time to Transifex on the way to 1.0.

    Things are not looking good on the MacOS side, BTW. Still no concrete help for package and making sure it works as expected on that platform :(

    I plan to add a PayPal donation link to the homepage soon. With some luck, maybe we can get a MacOS laptop each...

    Should we keep the Sphinx mention in the footer?

  45. Pol Welter

    Sure, the button can be removed easily. Actually, the easiest solution to me seems to just make English the only language that's built and shown in the dropdown. Tell me what you prefer.

    Is the MacOS package guide on the wiki still applicable? If so, let me see if I can get a colleague of mine to make us a build...

    I don't mind the footer at all. No strong opinion here.

  46. Tey'

    Things are not looking good on the MacOS side, BTW. Still no concrete help for package and making sure it works as expected on that platform :(

    It's possible to install MacOS in a VM and do all the work from there. That's how I planned to do it initially, but lack of time and interest in Apple stuffs made me walk away. The only issue is that MacOS is not free, so there is no legal VM images available (but "some" images are available though) ... oh, and you have to learn how the whole Mac thing works.

  47. Helder Correia repo owner

    the button can be removed easily

    This sounds like the thing to do since we only have one language for now. We can add it back as soon as it is justified.

    Is the MacOS package guide on the wiki still applicable?

    I honestly have no idea.

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