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16:48:28 * garyo-home ( has joined #scons 16:49:09 <garyo-home> Hi, Greg. 16:59:36 <GregNoel> Hi. Steven said he would be late; anyone else here for the bug party? Still a minute to go. 17:00:56 <garyo-home> hmm, maybe it's just us? 17:01:05 <GregNoel> Yup. 17:01:13 <garyo-home> Need a bit more of a quorum than that I think. 17:01:24 <garyo-home> Anyway I'm looking at some of the 2007q2 issues... 17:01:20 <GregNoel> Do you want to go back and work some issues while we wait? 17:01:39 <garyo-home> shall we just wait a few minutes? 17:01:45 <GregNoel> yup. 17:31:12 * stevenknight ( has joined #scons 17:31:23 <GregNoel> Hi, Steven 17:31:26 <stevenknight> hey 17:31:27 <garyo-home> Hi Steven! 17:31:44 <stevenknight> which spreadsheet and # are we on? 17:32:00 <GregNoel> Waiting for you; first one of current issues. 17:32:09 <garyo-home> Hi Steven -- it's just Greg & me so we were waiting for you. 17:32:55 <stevenknight> okay 17:33:18 <garyo-home> Shall we just start w/ the new ones, then? 17:33:25 <GregNoel> 2087 17:33:39 <stevenknight> 1.x, no one's weighed in on priority so... p3? 17:33:52 <garyo-home> ok w/ me 17:33:55 <stevenknight> question is who 17:34:22 <GregNoel> As I indicated, I don't think Mark has experience with Python. 17:34:24 <stevenknight> ah, just saw the note re: Flacy 17:34:38 <GregNoel> He's probably good with advice, but not programming. 17:34:37 <garyo-home> So that means Rob I guess? 17:34:45 <GregNoel> Yes, Rob. 17:34:50 <stevenknight> sure 17:34:59 <stevenknight> 1.x, p3, rob ... done 17:35:04 <GregNoel> ok, done, next 17:35:32 <garyo-home> 2088: easy, but needs testing. Who has Java? 17:35:54 <GregNoel> Not me 17:35:49 <stevenknight> i'm creating a VM that anyone can run with a reasonable subset of necessary tools 17:35:53 <stevenknight> including Java 1.5 and 1.6 17:36:04 <garyo-home> ah, good. Linux + Java? 17:36:10 <stevenknight> yeah, ubuntu 17:36:14 <garyo-home> excellent 17:36:28 <stevenknight> starting with JEOS == Just Enough Operating System 17:36:30 <garyo-home> I just made an ubuntu vm for doing scons doc w/ all the doc tools 17:36:47 <stevenknight> did you start with workstation? 17:37:00 <garyo-home> I got a prebuilt 8.04 from somewhere. 17:37:12 <stevenknight> ah, i bet i know which one 17:37:14 <garyo-home> it's kind of bloated. 17:37:13 <GregNoel> And I obviously need to get a VM to run Mac Classic 17:37:32 <garyo-home> GregNoel: :-) :-) 17:37:56 <GregNoel> garyo-home, well, I still want to play Civ II :-( 17:38:00 <garyo-home> anyway, so 2088 can be done easily & tested on this vm? 17:38:11 <stevenknight> Ken volunteered off-line to make bandwidth available for people to download the VM 17:38:21 <garyo-home> Greg: I just fired up my Amiga 1000 for my 9-year-old, he loves it 17:38:42 <GregNoel> Hmmm, I wonder if my Amigas still work... 17:38:30 <stevenknight> yes, VM should be good for testing 17:38:50 <garyo-home> Stevenknight: I'll d/l & try it. Ken should put the pointer on the dev list. 17:39:14 <stevenknight> it's not there yet, but I'll get with him and get it set up 17:39:33 <garyo-home> OK. I don't want to be the "java guy" though, I know nothing about it. 17:39:33 <GregNoel> so 2088, gary, when? 17:39:35 <stevenknight> after 0.98.5 is out (sourceforge finally got the release system working again this afternoon) 17:39:42 <stevenknight> 2088: gary, 1.x, p4 17:39:43 <garyo-home> 1.x p3 17:39:47 <stevenknight> p3 17:39:51 <stevenknight> i meant to say... :-) 17:39:56 <GregNoel> done 17:40:23 <GregNoel> 2089 17:40:47 <stevenknight> 2089: do we have a NEEDSMOREINFO for kicking something back to the filing user? 17:41:08 <GregNoel> no, "research" is best, with a comment 17:41:25 <garyo-home> ok w/ me 17:41:39 <GregNoel> I'll kick it back and we'll re-triage it next time? 17:41:29 <stevenknight> okay, i'd say "research" and Russel 17:41:57 <stevenknight> or whenever he updates with more info, i really want to understand what he expected 17:42:37 <stevenknight> i think he expected it to select the compiler, but i'm not sure 17:42:45 <stevenknight> if so, then it's a feature request 17:42:36 <GregNoel> done 17:42:41 <GregNoel> 2090 17:42:53 <garyo-home> ok, 2090? I'm staying out of this one. 17:43:31 <GregNoel> Uh, I'm not sure what to say 17:43:35 <stevenknight> 2090: i think a doc issue re: LANG for 1.0, p3 17:43:47 <garyo-home> ok w/ me 17:43:50 <GregNoel> OK 17:43:53 <stevenknight> and a new issue to track adding a warning 17:44:02 <stevenknight> probably 1.x, p2 (?) 17:44:15 <GregNoel> Where should the note be, under env.Java()? 17:44:35 <garyo-home> that's where I'd look. 17:44:47 <GregNoel> I'm not sure we need a warning 17:45:18 <garyo-home> not a big deal for me, doc is ok 17:45:27 <stevenknight> okay, makes life simpler all around 17:45:39 <stevenknight> then 1.0, p3, doc 17:45:47 <GregNoel> done 17:45:57 <garyo-home> 2091: add new optional arg? 17:46:15 <garyo-home> 1.x p3? I'll do it. 17:46:26 <stevenknight> works for me 17:46:36 <stevenknight> one thing just occurred to me, though... 17:46:53 <stevenknight> isn't AppendUnique(keep_existing=True) just a different name for Append()??? 17:47:17 <garyo-home> No, it would do nothing if it exists rather than deleting the old copy and appending. 17:47:21 <garyo-home> (right?) 17:47:33 <stevenknight> but it doesn't delete the old copy 17:47:40 <GregNoel> the option would have to be changed; existing semantics are those of keep_existing 17:47:49 <stevenknight> that's why Greg was saying AppendUnique() keeps the left-most 17:48:02 <stevenknight> at least I don't think it does... let me check... 17:48:18 <GregNoel> The option would have to be, ah, delete_existing or some such 17:48:32 <stevenknight> replace= 17:48:57 <GregNoel> replace what?? 17:49:07 <stevenknight> make the keyword replace= 17:49:23 <stevenknight> oh, wait, that would imply replacing in place, not deleting the old and appending the new 17:49:25 <GregNoel> It's not a replacement, either. The existing is deleted. 17:49:31 <stevenknight> right 17:50:09 <GregNoel> so 2091, 1.x p2, gary? 17:50:24 <stevenknight> yes 17:50:33 <garyo-home> ok, what was the resolution on the keyword name? 17:50:34 <stevenknight> Gary, you all right with naming it "replace_existing="? 17:50:40 <stevenknight> wrong 17:50:47 <stevenknight> "delete_existing=" 17:51:06 <garyo-home> yes, that's fine w/ me. Defaults to false. 17:51:21 <stevenknight> right 17:51:23 <GregNoel> done 17:51:32 <GregNoel> 2094, I'll buy p5 17:51:53 <garyo-home> sure 17:52:01 <stevenknight> 2093: 1.0, doc, Gary 17:52:10 <garyo-home> yes, I assumed that. 17:52:23 <stevenknight> 2094: 1.x, p5, Benoit 17:52:58 <GregNoel> works for me 17:53:34 <stevenknight> okay, enough time to start the next spreadsheet? 17:53:35 <garyo-home> OK, on to 2007q2 I guess? 17:53:48 <stevenknight> yes 17:54:33 <stevenknight> 1615: already consensus 17:54:34 <GregNoel> 1643 is first 17:54:39 <stevenknight> 1617: already consensus 17:54:42 <garyo-home> we skip the DONE ones, move right to 1643? 17:54:42 <stevenknight> ah 17:55:01 <stevenknight> oh, hey, there's DONE strings there... :-) 17:55:04 <stevenknight> nice 17:55:25 <garyo-home> Brandon said he updated it, maybe that was a different ticket or something? 17:55:42 <garyo-home> I think get more info from user. 17:55:50 <GregNoel> must have been 17:56:11 <garyo-home> pretty weird behavior though. 17:56:13 <stevenknight> agree: research, Brandon 17:56:21 <GregNoel> OK 17:56:59 <garyo-home> 1644 17:57:17 <garyo-home> Greg, I like your idea of starting all out blank, but it's impractical for now, agreed? 17:57:32 <stevenknight> that's 1.x p2 17:57:36 <garyo-home> I say just fix this one case for now in 1.x p2. 17:57:53 <stevenknight> agree with both of you re: both <ins>RPATH and public variables starting blank 17:58:38 * GregNoel has been overrun by rugrats; wait a sec 17:58:41 <garyo-home> ok, so David, 1.x, p2, in the Conservatory, with the Knife? 17:58:47 <garyo-home> :-) 17:58:58 <stevenknight> yes 17:59:59 <GregNoel> ok, 1644, not completely impractical, but it should be a policy; move toward it in the future. 18:00:12 <garyo-home> agreed. 18:00:24 <GregNoel> yes, 1.x p2, David 18:00:37 <GregNoel> 1646 18:00:32 <garyo-home> 1646: Ludwig GSoC sounds good to me. 18:00:42 <GregNoel> done 18:00:45 <stevenknight> ludwig gsoc++ 18:01:23 <GregNoel> 1660, close 18:01:53 <garyo-home> yup 18:02:20 <stevenknight> yes, close 18:02:23 <GregNoel> done 18:02:36 <GregNoel> 1681 18:02:48 <garyo-home> 1661: Steven, does VS cleanup possibly include using bat files to get env vars? 18:02:56 <garyo-home> Or is it two separate things? 18:03:34 <stevenknight> includes .bat files 18:03:59 <garyo-home> ok, I'm a big VS user so if you do it I'll help. 18:04:16 <GregNoel> collaboration++ 18:04:19 <stevenknight> yeah, it's turning into a case of when in Rome... 18:04:29 <garyo-home> stevenknight: exactly. 18:05:15 <stevenknight> never thought that i'd have to become such a Windows geek, though... :-) 18:05:42 <garyo-home> sorry, happens to the best of us 18:05:45 <stevenknight> looks like that's it for 2007q2 18:06:14 <GregNoel> 1662? 18:06:29 <garyo-home> 2.x p2? 18:06:39 <stevenknight> ah, skipped one 18:06:45 <stevenknight> yeah, 2.x p2 18:06:46 <GregNoel> more than one 18:07:00 <stevenknight> oh, wow, so we did 18:07:17 <GregNoel> We??? 18:07:29 <stevenknight> good point 18:07:34 <stevenknight> "me" 18:07:40 <stevenknight> must have scrolled down too far... 18:07:58 <GregNoel> Sometimes it scrolls in pieces; that's bit me before 18:08:10 <stevenknight> no, waitaminnit, someone above mentioned 1681... :-) 18:08:25 <GregNoel> typo 18:08:34 <stevenknight> aha 18:08:48 <GregNoel> next line says 1661, which was correct 18:08:59 <GregNoel> my eyes are too old to read that tiny type 18:09:21 <garyo-home> anyway, 1662 is i18n, 2.x p2? 18:09:30 <stevenknight> okay, 1662 2.x p2 18:09:37 <GregNoel> I'll buy it 18:09:55 <GregNoel> 1663? 18:09:59 <garyo-home> then 1663, latex, 2.x unless a patch magically appears? 18:10:01 <stevenknight> 1663: 2.x, Rob, encourage WONTFIX 18:10:09 <GregNoel> works for me 18:10:33 <garyo-home> 1667: would be nice if we had a contrib/ folder, but not until 2.0 IMHO 18:11:24 <stevenknight> agree re: contrib/ 18:11:35 <GregNoel> 1667 is DONE; 1673? 18:11:39 <stevenknight> make a bunch of the wiki stuff more accessible / useful 18:11:47 <stevenknight> 1673: 1.0.x, p1 18:11:58 <stevenknight> who? 18:11:59 <garyo-home> ok w me 18:12:14 <GregNoel> done 18:12:43 <garyo-home> 1674 is trivial I think 18:13:02 <GregNoel> DONE 18:13:22 <GregNoel> 1675? 18:13:26 <garyo-home> 1675 I already replied to him 18:13:37 <garyo-home> just wait & see now. 18:13:43 <GregNoel> Yeah, and I think you're right 18:13:50 <stevenknight> 1675: probably end up closing, i don't think there's a SCons problem here 18:13:59 <garyo-home> agree 18:14:01 <stevenknight> but okay to wait until he replies (if he does) 18:14:14 <GregNoel> Defer until next week? 18:14:32 <garyo-home> ok. Or could close, and let user reopen if they still care? 18:14:39 <garyo-home> (Can users reopen tickets?) 18:15:08 <GregNoel> I think so; Bugzilla could 18:15:09 <stevenknight> good question, i thought they can, but don't really know 18:15:24 <garyo-home> anyway safer to defer for a week anyway. 18:15:36 <garyo-home> ... anyway. didn't say that enough in the last line, anyway. 18:15:55 <garyo-home> 1679 dup? 18:15:59 <GregNoel> DONE 18:16:08 <stevenknight> done 18:16:09 <garyo-home> 1681 consensus 18:16:15 <GregNoel> next quarter, or break here? 18:16:32 <stevenknight> now, i think we've finished 2007q2... 18:16:36 <garyo-home> I should go I'm afraid. 18:16:43 <stevenknight> me too 18:16:49 <GregNoel> OK, what about next week? 18:16:50 <stevenknight> same time next week...? 18:16:57 <GregNoel> I have a conflict... 18:16:58 <garyo-home> see you all next wk, I can do it then. 18:17:05 <garyo-home> Greg: different night better? 18:17:15 <GregNoel> I'll have to leave before 18 o'clock 18:17:23 <stevenknight> Greg: another ntime Monday or another night? 18:17:33 <GregNoel> let me check 18:17:39 <stevenknight> i'm okay with 17h00 - 18h00 18:18:12 <garyo-home> that's the usual time, right? 18:18:14 <GregNoel> Tuesday is OK 18:18:19 * garyo-home does time math in head... 18:18:22 <stevenknight> right 18:18:26 <stevenknight> usual time 18:18:35 <garyo-home> I can do Tuesday usual time also. 18:18:52 <stevenknight> let's go with Tuesday then 18:18:54 <garyo-home> Let's try to get more attendance next time. Mailing list reminder? 18:19:01 <stevenknight> yes 18:19:21 <GregNoel> multiple reminders 18:19:00 <GregNoel> Wednesday the 18th I leave for ten days; the party after next you're on your own. 18:19:35 <stevenknight> GregNoel: maybe I should prep next week's spreadsheets so you're available if questions come up 18:19:41 <stevenknight> or gary 18:20:01 <GregNoel> I'm preparing a wiki page; should be ready soon 18:20:05 <garyo-home> I'm getting very busy at work, 3 new empl's including new CEO this wk... 18:20:15 <garyo-home> I'll try to keep up my end of things though. 18:20:22 <stevenknight> wow, congratulations on the expansion 18:20:38 <garyo-home> thx, it's exciting but as VP/eng I'm in the thick of it. 18:20:37 <stevenknight> did you do an exec search for CEO? 18:20:48 <garyo-home> yes, big exec search. 18:21:00 <GregNoel> So he's fat? {;-} 18:21:12 <stevenknight> who handled it for you? one of the big national recruiting firms or a local? 18:21:16 <garyo-home> we're up to 13 people, 3 engineers and a new database guy. 18:21:43 <garyo-home> Steven: a guy our investors recommended, name slips my mind atm... 18:21:53 <stevenknight> np 18:22:02 <stevenknight> that's really cool, glad to hear things are going well 18:22:08 <garyo-home> Todd Savage. 18:22:21 <garyo-home> He was good, but not cheap. 18:22:42 <garyo-home> Greg, just saw yr comment :-) 18:22:59 <garyo-home> & actually no, she's thin. 18:23:04 <GregNoel> Wasn't that funny in retrospect 18:23:17 <garyo-home> that's irc for you. 18:23:47 <garyo-home> anyway guys, have a good week, I'll try to squash a few of my bugs this week. 18:23:58 <GregNoel> <splat!> 18:24:02 <garyo-home> :-) 18:24:12 <garyo-home> c ya 18:24:14 <GregNoel> bye 18:24:20 <stevenknight> okay, thanks 18:24:22 <stevenknight> later 18:24:25 * stevenknight has quit ("Leaving")