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18:23:54 *      garyo-home (n=[chatzill@209-6-158-38.c3-0.smr-ubr3.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com](mailto:chatzill@209-6-158-38.c3-0.smr-ubr3.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com)) has joined #scons 18:58:23 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     Hi, Gary.  Almost time for the bug party.  Anyone else here?  I don't see Steven. 18:58:57 <garyo-home>   Hi Greg, I'm here. 18:59:05 <garyo-home>   Don't know about steven yet. 19:00:13 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     Let me grab a soda; I'll be right back. 19:00:19 <garyo-home>   ok 19:03:51 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     OK, I'm back; where's Steven? 19:04:32 <garyo-home>   no sign yet. 19:04:49 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     I marked up all the issues that had obvious consensus; there should only be a few to discuss. 19:05:15 <garyo-home>   I don't have that much time tonight; I should keep it to 1/2 hour.  Presentation tomorrow then off to Amsterdam Wednesday.  Thanks for the great spreadsheet work! 19:05:54 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     The dam of the Amster river?  I'm jealous. 19:06:12 <garyo-home>   Amstel, but who's counting.  Yes, a truly wonderful town. 19:06:31 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     Sigh.  I never could spell... 19:07:05 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     We've been through there on vacations, but never time to visit. 19:06:39 <garyo-home>   Wish I had more free time though, it's all business 90% of the time. 19:07:18 <garyo-home>   I think I could move there. 19:07:46 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     Hmmm...  I'd go for the Bay of Islands first. 19:07:51 <garyo-home>   Where's that? 19:08:03 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     North New Zealand. 19:08:30 <garyo-home>   Australia & NZ have long been on my list.  But it's quite the flight to get there, esp. with a family! 19:08:49 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     True, 16 hours or more. 19:08:39 <garyo-home>   What's Bay of Islands like? 19:09:41 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     Lovely.  It's a natural breakwater almost a hundred miles wide across the top of NZ.  Like a bay, wonderful sailing. 19:10:28 <garyo-home>   Sounds great.  Is it tropical? 19:10:59 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     Semi-tropical; about the same as San Diego. 19:11:13 <garyo-home>   That's pretty perfect. 19:12:04 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     Oh, yes.  And prices are unbelievable.  We looked at a small castle on ten acres for 200K NZD. 19:12:17 <garyo-home>   Whoa!  Really?? 19:12:49 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     Yes, although food and health care are high. 19:11:36 <garyo-home>   Well, it's 12 after.  Shall we look at a few of the non-consensus issues even just the 2 of us? 19:12:05 <garyo-home>   Also can you remind me of the current 1.1 schedule? 19:12:36 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     Uh, that's something I wanted to discuss. 19:13:04 <garyo-home>   ok, shoot.  It'll go in the IRC logs anyway. 19:13:40 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     OK, here's the consideration: December is a bad time to commit to a release.  Between Thanksgiving, holiday get-togethers, Christmas shopping, Christmas, Boxing day, New Year's Eve, and New Year's Day, there are just too many distractions. 19:13:40 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     If we keep the current schedule for 1.1 and try to maintain it for 1.2, we're going to end up with 1.3 the end of December.  Not good. 19:13:40 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     So if we start the clock for 1.1 as of Sunday's 1.0.1 release, then we can have a checkpoint this weekend (13 September), a release candidate on the weekend of 27 September, and a release the weekend of 4 October.  That's not too bad. 19:13:40 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     For 1.2, we plan checkpoints for the weekend of 18 October and 1 November, a release candidate the weekend of 15 November, and a release the weekend of 23 November, well before Thanksgiving on 27 October. 19:13:40 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     Then for 1.3, we plan bi-weekly checkpoints toward a (to be determined) release date in January. 19:13:40 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     At that point, we can decide whether to have a 1.4 or work toward 2.0.  (I'd go for a 2.0 in March, with several incremental checkpoints along the way.) 19:13:40 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     How's that sound? 19:13:50 <garyo-home>   :-) 19:15:15 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     Comments? 19:15:24 <garyo-home>   So far what I've seen for 1.1 looks like it could be done by 27 sept.  I'll be gone from Wednesday to next Wednesday though.  Still, I have only 4 tickets for 1.1. 19:15:54 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     I'm trying to stretch 1.1 slightly so 1.3 won't end up in December. 19:15:55 <garyo-home>   Basically you're proposing to stretch it a little, which suits me fine. 19:16:02 *      sgk (n=[stevenkn@c-67-169-176-171.hsd1.ca.comcast.net](mailto:stevenkn@c-67-169-176-171.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)) has joined #scons 19:16:08 <garyo-home>   Aha, here he is. 19:16:09 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     Hello, Steven. 19:16:13 <sgk>  hey there 19:16:19 <sgk>  stuck on the highway 19:16:38 <garyo-home>   No problem.  I have to go at 10:30 (OK, stretch to 10:40). 19:16:51 <sgk>  i can't stay much either 19:16:48 <garyo-home>   Busy rest of week. 19:16:53 <sgk>  i hear you 19:17:02 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     We're discussing schedule... 19:17:07 <garyo-home>   Greg, want to re-dump your last thing? 19:17:14 <sgk>  release sched?  or bug party sched? 19:17:19 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     release 19:17:22 <garyo-home>   1.1 - 1.4. 19:17:33 <sgk>  :-) 19:17:40 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     Shall I requote? 19:17:44 <sgk>  did you see what i slapped up in roadmap.html? 19:17:47 <garyo-home>   please. 19:17:49 <sgk>  please do 19:17:51 <sgk>  requote 19:18:05 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     Ur, no, not yet.  Here's what I said before: 19:18:08 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     Here's the consideration: December is a bad time to commit to a release.  Between Thanksgiving, holiday get-togethers, Christmas shopping, Christmas, Boxing day, New Year's Eve, and New Year's Day, there are just too many distractions. 19:18:08 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     If we keep the current schedule for 1.1 and try to maintain it for 1.2, we're going to end up with 1.3 the end of December.  Not good. 19:18:08 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     So if we start the clock for 1.1 as of Sunday's 1.0.1 release, then we can have a checkpoint this weekend (13 September), a release candidate on the weekend of 27 September, and a release the weekend of 4 October.  That's not too bad. 19:18:08 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     For 1.2, we plan checkpoints for the weekend of 18 October and 1 November, a release candidate the weekend of 15 November, and a release the weekend of 23 November, well before Thanksgiving on 27 October. 19:18:08 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     Then for 1.3, we plan bi-weekly checkpoints toward a (to be determined) release date in January. 19:18:08 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     At that point, we can decide whether to have a 1.4 or work toward 2.0.  (I'd go for a 2.0 in March, with several incremental checkpoints along the way.) 19:18:08 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     How's that sound? 19:19:00 <garyo-home>   Looking at roadmap.html, you guys are remarkably close. 19:19:25 <sgk>  well, off by .2   :-) 19:19:45 <sgk>  overall timing between releases makes sense to me 19:19:57 <sgk>  so working that towards 1.2, sure 19:20:06 <garyo-home>   1.1 end sept/early oct, 1.2 24 nov, sounds good to me. 19:20:45 <sgk>  and agree with general time frames 19:20:45 <garyo-home>   can we look at some of the issues? 19:21:33 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     yes, I'm digesting Steven's roadmap 19:21:39 <sgk>  not sure if i can -- really sorry 19:22:09 <sgk>  i'm okay with going with your consensus guys' consensus based on spreadsheet 19:22:22 <sgk>  and if there's something that really needs my input, take it off-line 19:22:36 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     only a few other issues to discuss.. 19:22:48 <sgk>  can we tee them up really quickly? 19:23:22 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     Check the spreadsheets; I marked them. 19:23:14 <garyo-home>   new ones: 2195 (ok for 1.x, not 1.1)? 19:23:40 <garyo-home>   [all other new ones are already consensus, 2195's the only one w/ any question.) 19:24:04 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     2191 needs an owner 19:24:33 <garyo-home>   I'll do it.  I have VMs for it and can snapshot them. 19:24:34 <sgk>  2195:  my gut says yes 1.1 (since it's for new features) 19:24:55 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     OK, I'll push Rob about it. 19:25:01 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     2191 needs an owner 19:25:09 <garyo-home>   2195: if it slips, we don't hold 1.1 for it. 19:25:22 <garyo-home>   ok? 19:25:25 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     yes 19:25:36 <sgk>  2191:  agree 19:25:44 <sgk>  2195: agree i mean 19:25:52 <sgk>  2191:  any chance david's stuff covers it? 19:26:07 <sgk>  too big for me to commit in 1.1 19:26:28 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     I'll ask, see what he thinks. 19:26:40 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     If David doesn't want it, what then? 19:26:53 <garyo-home>   2191, python64 on win64, right?  I can look at it. 19:27:05 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     OK, will you have time? 19:27:34 <garyo-home>   Can't promise of course.  But it looks simple.  I know an awful lot about win64 registry issues. :-/ 19:27:58 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     OK, garyo owner.  Next spreadsheet? 19:28:12 <garyo-home>   2005 is first I think. 19:28:37 <garyo-home>   If Steven wants it, OK. 19:28:45 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     er, 1945 is first, I think. 19:29:09 <garyo-home>   OK, I didn't count 1945 cause it seemed like we all say "see if Ludwig will do it" and if not, defer. 19:29:10 <sgk>  which spreadsheet? 19:29:33 <garyo-home>   [BugParty](BugParty) page: Decide which issues from 1.x should be promoted into 1.1  19:29:34 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     "Possible issues for 1.1" 19:29:45 <sgk>  thnx 19:29:57 <garyo-home>   [http://scons.tigris.org/issues/buglist.cgi?resort=1&component=scons&issue_status=UNCONFIRMED&issue_status=NEW&issue_status=STARTED&issue_status=REOPENED&order=issues.target_milestone%2C%20issues.priority%2C%20issues.votes%20desc%2C%20issues.creation_ts&target_milestone=1.x](http://scons.tigris.org/issues/buglist.cgi?resort=1&component=scons&issue_status=UNCONFIRMED&issue_status=NEW&issue_status=STARTED&issue_status=REOPENED&order=issues.target_milestone%2C%20issues.priority%2C%20issues.votes%20desc%2C%20issues.creation_ts&target_milestone=1.x) 19:30:21 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     1945, Done. 19:31:02 <sgk>  2005: me done 19:31:09 <garyo-home>   ok. 19:31:32 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     2005 done 19:31:41 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     2044 19:31:53 <sgk>  can we advertise on the ML ? 19:32:06 <sgk>  seems like it would be important enough that someone might actually volunteer... 19:31:55 <garyo-home>   2044: not a real UNC naming fix, just fix the looping. 19:32:28 <garyo-home>   Isn't there a real UNC fix queued up too? 19:32:44 <garyo-home>   Yes, 1420. 19:33:05 *      bdbaddog (n=[bdeegan@adsl-71-131-3-114.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net](mailto:bdeegan@adsl-71-131-3-114.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net)) has joined #scons 19:33:11 <garyo-home>   Hi, Bill. 19:33:20 <bdbaddog>     Good evening all. 19:33:21 <sgk>  anyone assigned to 1420 ? 19:33:22 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     Maybe Benoit can look at this one, too. 19:33:26 <garyo-home>   But I think even with 1420, we may still need the fix in 2044. 19:33:26 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     Hi, Bill 19:34:01 <garyo-home>   otoh, 2044 can go in any time. 19:34:33 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     I'll ask Benoit.  Move on? 19:34:42 <sgk>  done 19:34:43 <garyo-home>   Hi Bill, we're looking at the 1.x -> 1.1 issues. 19:34:54 <garyo-home>   1402 i think? 19:35:02 <garyo-home>   = vs_revamp 19:35:18 <sgk>  wow, greg, thanks for pre-consensus'ing these 19:35:20 <sgk>  this is great 19:35:32 <garyo-home>   yes, +1 greg! 19:35:47 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     Aw, shucks... 19:36:09 <garyo-home>   anyway, I think we agree on 1402 too.  If vs_revamp fixes it then great, if not, defer. 19:36:21 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     OK, who? 19:36:32 <sgk>  1402:  david 19:36:34 <garyo-home>   vs_revamp is david c, cc me. 19:36:41 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     OK, done 19:36:53 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     1772 19:37:07 <garyo-home>   I think that's a "no". 19:37:31 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     agreed, but should I send it to Ludwig with a query? 19:37:44 <sgk>  sure 19:37:51 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     done 19:38:00 <garyo-home>   2048 is next 19:38:15 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     2^11 is next 19:38:21 <garyo-home>   :-) 19:38:31 <sgk>  2041:  1.1, sure, but who ? 19:38:50 <garyo-home>   already has patch & testcase, it'll take me 10 min. 19:39:04 <sgk>  garyo++ 19:39:08 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     done 19:39:21 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     but run regression tests, first. 19:39:33 <garyo-home>   of course. 19:39:45 <garyo-home>   But that's bg time, not my actual time. 19:39:51 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     true 19:39:58 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     That appears to be it. 19:40:04 <garyo-home>   well done all! 19:40:15 <sgk>  agreed, many thanks 19:40:25 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     I was hoping to get to some backlog today, but maybe next time. 19:40:22 <garyo-home>   I do need to go now.  I won't be around next week, I'll be in Amsterdam til next Wednesday. 19:40:37 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     Skip next week? 19:40:56 <sgk>  maybe, let's sync up in the ML about schedule 19:41:08 <sgk>  i may need to find a different night  19:41:10 <sgk>  or time 19:41:11 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     Or you could take along a laptop; it'll be 2am in Amsterdam... 19:41:14 <bdbaddog>     Gnight all. I gotta run. 19:41:17 *      bdbaddog has quit ("Leaving.") 19:41:22 <sgk>  me too -- later 19:41:23 <garyo-home>   I'll be connected there anyway. 19:41:25 <sgk>  thank again 19:41:28 *      sgk has quit ("Leaving") 19:41:32 <garyo-home>   'night. 19:41:37 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)>     G'night. 19:41:40 *      garyo-home has quit ("[ChatZilla](ChatZilla) 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]") 

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